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FourDollar의 댓글

이 업적은 5인으로만 가능합니다.

Jaxor의 댓글

Well ain't that a kick in the head.

regma의 댓글

".. what about the R.o.U.S?"

" Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist."

From: The Princess Bride. (1987)

Quote in which Buttercup asking Wesley about large rodent living in the swamp that they're currently traveling in, which then he get's jumped by one of them.

Edit #1: Try to provide some info on the ref, but guess some just dont care..

Edit #2: Ok. I noticed that it show "usual" size. Which might've explain the down votes previously.
But still compared to the player, they are still "bigger" then a normal rat despite you being smaller.

(edit #1 date: 2016/10/29)

YariniCeteri의 댓글

보통 크기의 쥐/rodent-of-usual-size

This is the item you need to summon the rats that you must ride for this achievement. My group has been trying to find out where these comes from, and below are things we have tried. Any help would be appreciated.

- They are not sold by the vendor near Attumen
- They are not dropped by rat trash, nor rat critters
- They are not ground objects as far as we know
- They do not come from the level 70 Karazhan raid

New things we tried with the reset.
- They don't seem to be related to Nightbane, especially when your mage who sucks at Ignite Soul gets the mount
- Couldn't find any way to make critter rats interactable through the servent's quarters or stables
- Using "frowned-upon" techniques we managed to escape from Mana Devourer's room while still small and could not find a way to interact with any of the critters in the library
- Does not appear to be related to this weeks Opera Event

DrHeckyll in the comment below me says his group tried the following without success as well.
- Pulling rat mobs into the void zones on the boss does not damage them
- Killing rat mobs within void zones does not change their loot tables
- CC'ing rat mobs within the void zones does not affect them

Lastly someone had mentioned it in game to me this week so I should mention that while this achievement reads "Rodents of Usual Size" it definitely pertains to rats and not some other critter. Rodents of Usual Size is merely a reference to Princess Brides, and there's an old changelog from the PTR that reveals that the achievement used to read "Rats of Usual Size"

Edit: Xio1234's comment says it all. The hunt is over!

DrHeckyll의 댓글

In these situations knowing what not to do can be important in the solving process of working out eventually what to do. So for what its worth....

After extensive research I had a theory based on the scene from the movie "The Princess Bride" from which this achievement is a reference to.

The particular scene displays an ROUS attacking the main character (wesley) and he uses a 'void' zone to mortally wound the rat and then defeat it.

Given wow mechanics I figured it wouldn't be the first time to use a void zone to kill an add (the last one was in HFC on the Maneroth meta).

This week my group pulled a rat and kited it into the mana worms void zone during the fight - it took no damage. We ccd it in the void zone at low health and it still took no damage. We killed one in the void zone - again no damage.

I was hoping doing this would cause the item everyone's looking for to be added to a loot table of the rat - but again - no loot. Seems the movie has no relevance to the achievement in this case. I suspect simply killing rats there will be a CHANCE the item will drop but I'm yet to see it.

EDIT: This week we DISCOVERED the rats were MC able but the small rats were not (critters after boss). The spiders were MCable to. 2 abilities stampede (rats of usual size?) did damage to players and the rat. - not sure if it does to the boss we didn't get to try that yet. Rat also has some poison debuff. We then killed the same rat and it did drop junk so it DOES have a loot tale of sorts . Perhaps someone can try keeping rat alive MCing it using stampeded till boss dies - then u have both the rat alive at the end as well!..... If no one tries this ill do it next week.

THIS IS NOW SOLVED - Grats to those that figured it out and thanks to all those involved - here is the vid. https://youtu.be/EIs0AUmQw_4

Sugarpeas의 댓글

Has anyone noticed/tried this:
The achievement says "Defeat a Mana Devourer while the entire party is riding a Rodents of Usual Size." It does not say to kill the boss specifically.

Two things I would like to test out.

1. Aggro a rat while fighting the mana devourer boss but don't kill it. When you become large again, maybe the rat will also grow large with you and you can kill it then to get the rodent of usual size to kill the additional trash mana devourers. Or... the rat itself may become a mount for the party.

2. Dont kill any of the rat trash mobs before killing the boss so when you grow large, maybe they become clickable?

Since the first quest to kara included clicking on the 5 crystals and was related to nightbane, I feel like the next quest (to kill 12 mana devourers) is related or hinting at something...

just a thought.

ZelasMetallium의 댓글

After scouring the area around Mana Devourer I determined there are no lootable/interactable items; odds are this comes from somewhere earlier in the dungeon. My thought wsa that you could possibly find rat traps while "big", loot the rats, then when you're smaller they would be usable as mounts, and so I checked areas in the dungeon where rats may be common: I was unable to find rats or rat traps in the kitchens, the stables, or the broken down areas around Nightbane's terrace.

The area I did not check was teh spider area, and I believe our rats may be there somehow:

1. At this point in time there is virtually no "content" down there except for the crystal and its port for Nightbane: Important, but it's not much considering it's a lot of hard-hitting trash for seemingly little/no reward.

2. The spider area in BC was the "animal boss" room where you had to kill enough trash to spawn an animal to kill. If there's anywhere in the instance where I would look for a rat, the animal boss rooms seems a logical choice.

3. The caretaker, Hastings, says something along the lines of "Most of the big ones have been cleared out already"
(paraphrasing, been a while since I talked to him) and we took this as a message that there is no animal bos, but it could be a hint that there won't be large animals to look for, but perhaps small ones (that will become large when you're shrunk) . . .

If anyone can get a group that's willing to clear the animal boss area, I recommend looking around very closely.

Sheidy713의 댓글

I have an idea.
What if the rodents the achievement is talking about is actually a PET. Lets say if you summon your battle pet ( a rat for exemple) and when you jump down to the boss area. The rat change its size or maybe it will become 'mountable' or something like that?

Did anyone tried battle pets?

subverto의 댓글

EDIT: someone on MMO champ said something about the bloodtotem saddle blanket from tailoring, and that they saw a clickable cog wheel on the line of rats that spawn when you're fighting them. this may be the answer. (saddle blanket still may not have anything to do with it, the guy just had it on when he did it.)

I have a few theories, I'm currently exploring the dungeon post-clear to come up with more.

First, not one of the theories, but fun fact, the Mana Devourers DO respawn after the boss, but I don't think you'll be able to just kill any of them, becuase of the text "usual size." If they're "usual" size, they would still be the size of a normal rat, right? so we would have to be small to ride them.

1. not a complete theory, but I noticed that the corpses of the rats and spiders (at least in the boss room) don't despawn after zone-out like normal mobs. corpses are still there like a boss would be. I killed a rat in the boss room after the boss kill, and he despawned. I'm thinking whatever we have to do, we have to do it while small.

2. I've been exploring the room. There's a cheese plate in the room, on a table behind the boss(3rd table down, by the stairs), near a pack of devourers, with a floating book on the table.will the game let us get out of the boss room? we might be able to use the cheese on the rats somehow.
EDIT: I found another plate in the room, upstairs. there's also a plate of crackers that was knocked on the floor, upside down.

3. similar to the above theory, I spy four pedestals on the raised area of the room that we drop down in. every one of those pedestals has a book on it except for one, which has a skeletal hand on it, and the book that looks like it should go on the pedestal is open on the table next to it.

4. there was one small grey book on the ground by the one of the curled stairwells going up to the room with the port to the entrance . when I clicked the book, it just burned without looting or anything. It's possible I could have seen this wrong, but I figured i should have mentioned it. (I'm aware the other books on the ground have buff items in them, I don't think it was one of those.)
I relooted a book and found they all burn
EDIT: looks like only the grey books burn. idk if that's just because it's an old model/interaction or what.

5. maybe there's a mousehole or something we can squeeze into when we're small?

EDIT:
6. the caretaker in the beast room downstairs (by where you zoned in in old kara) asks you to help him clear the servant's quarters out. maybe something happens if you talk to him, then kill everything in the servant's quarters, then talk to him again.

pimop의 댓글

Has anyone attempted to do a nightbane run but instead of going to nightbane go to shade of medivh kill the boss and talk to that medihv?

VforVieira의 댓글

Has anyone tried taking the rat harnesses from underbelly through KZ?

Holypenguin90의 댓글

Alright fellas,

My group and I have been pouring over Rat Pack theories for weeks now and have tried almost everything. We brought Moroe's traps all the way to the rats in the boss room and found out that they weren't usable on them, we tried kiting rats around during the boss encounter to see if they interacted with any of the fight mechanics, - we even brought goddamn cheese from a vendor in Dalaran to see if the rats liked cheese. But none of that worked.

But as a few people have pointed out on here, we believe that the crux of this goddamn achievement lies in the actual text of the achievement. "Defeat a Mana Devourer while the entire party is riding a Rodents of Usual Size. Now, the boss isn't anything special. It's name is Mana Devourer and story-wise it isn't actually anymore powerful than the other Mana Devourers in Karazhan and is only strong because we're tiny. But I feel like they wouldn't word the achievement like that for no reason, and did so to be purposely deceptive. It wouldn't be the first time that a dungeon achievement didn't actually require a boss to obtain.

The achievement HAS to involve the Mana Devourers and rat critters in the library that you are sent to immediately after killing the boss Mana Devourer. I feel like this is further supported by the fact that there are only three killable rats in the actual boss room, which wouldn't be enough for a full group of five people. The library room afterwards has multiple Mana Devourers in it, and a lot of rat critters running around, -- more than enough for all five group members. So the question now is, what do we have to do to get the 'Rodent of Usual Size' item?

Stuff that my group tried:
1. We aggroed the Mana Devourers in the library and attempted to drag them on top of the rat critters. The Mana Devourers shoot out orbs that fly around and can be soaked, but it did not seem like these did anything to the rats that made contact with them other than immediately kill them. I don't think we tried killing a Mana Devourer on top of a live rat, but I doubt that'd work.

2. We put on all of the book buffs that we could find in the library to see if that did anything to the rats, but it didn't.

What we haven't tested yet and what I feel is the most likely way to get this achievement: Although we brought the traps in Moroe's room all the way to the Mana Devourer boss, we only tried them on the giant rats in the boss room. We never tried using them in the library on any of the critter rats in the library after the boss Mana Devourer. Honestly I have no goddamn clue how it makes sense that using one of the Moroes traps on those tiny rats would somehow make them rideable, but this is the only thing that I can think of.

The only other thing that we haven't looked into is actually exploring every single nook and cranny of the dungeon, since there are a lot of portions with little reason to go to. We explored most of the kitchens and beast quarters, but might have missed a few corridors or rooms. But I feel like if it was that easy then someone else would have found it by now. We also haven't tried doing anything too fancy like using any old school potions that might let us see invisible targets or ghosts or some &*!@ that would for some reason be needed for the achievement. Maybe Karazhan has a cheese vendor ghost or some dumb crap.

In conclusion, this @#$% probably won't end up working but at this point WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA IDEAS. If this doesn't work then all I can say is that the achievement HAS to be bugged or improperly implemented into the game.

Shoutout to my boy Tim

718478의 댓글

Use the World Shrinker to get on a rat?

Korkol의 댓글

One small thing to note, the Level 1 critter rats in the room after Mana Devourer (boss) have a unique NPC ID of 116495, which were added in 7.1 and seem to exist only in Karazhan. 쥐

It might be nothing, but given the mystery behind this achievement, it might indicate that they are used for something.

falkeid의 댓글

If you take a look at the achievement icon. It is Medivhs staff, the same icon is to be found on the Nightbane speedrun.

I have a theory that instead of going "backwards" from Curator after clicking the last orb, you continue "forwards" in the dungeon to the Mana Devourer. Seing as there is a 5 minute timer on the 메디브의 현신 buff you get after clicking the last orb, you have enough time to get past Shade of Medivh, and possibly find a friendly medivh after killing his shade which gives you the Rodents of Usual Size?

Seing as most people who clicks all the orbs, goes back to Nightbane for the mount, I'm guessing there is not many who goes on to try the rat achievement. So it could be a high chance of a a friendly shade of medivh anywhere around the Mana Devourers or Shade of Medivh boss.

I am currently saved this week, so I cant test it out myself, but would love for anyone to test it and give it some feedback on how it went / what you did!

Dellena의 댓글

Just found today inside a Kara run with some friends. The item rodent of usual size was found when he clicked on a mouse that was roaming around in the halls between Curator and Shade of Medivh. They may have been roaming prior to curator but we zoned in just past curator when we started to find the items.

A few key notes is you cannot be in bear form and assumedly cat form for druids. But the item is usable in combat so druid tanks/cats can use it near the end of the boss fight.

For casters you can move and cast while mounted.

Additionally you will lose the mount if you die during the boss fight.

http://imgur.com/a/gYG2n (We messed up the use of the mount so no achievement yet for us but we're going back for it later this week.)

Rakaija1의 댓글

Alright! Some new info concerning this:

I'm not sure if it was because this week in particular is the Sign of the Critter, the critter bonus week, but there are five rodents past The Curator that you are able to click and loot into your inventory. These are of course the Rodent of Usual Size that we've talked about and seen in the files.

Locations:

Two are right past the portal after The Curator.
There is one as you go down the ramp near the first Fel Dranei caster.
There is one to the right down another ramp past another Draenei caster.
And the last one is right before the Shade of Medivh.

Be aware that you can kill these accidentally, but soft resetting the instance will respawn them. They also disappear if you leave Karazhan.

Proof: https://imgur.com/N6Qwqrm

Xio1234의 댓글

Hi All,

Myself and friends just got this achievement this morning - Tzhaa *Kazzak* Xíó *Stormscale* Rexit *Stormscale* Nocni *Stormscale* Combustylulz *Stormscale* (EU)

The rats are a lootable critter like NPC on the path between killing curator and Aran

There are only 5 in total so make sure you don't miss one! - 1 in the middle with the caster mob, 1 on the right path that leads nowhere and 1 in the corridor to medivh to name 3 locations.

You need to kill the mana devourer boss whilst mounted on this. However, do not do things like Shapeshift (impossible to do as guardian druid for example as you can't use bear form) and don't use leap abilities like infernal strike etc as these despawn the mounts.

Use the item before entering combat - you can cast whilst moving while mounted on them. (the items also are removed if you leave the instance) although, they do respawn if the instance is reset.

Hope this helped you all.

Finally we have been able to solve this annoying problem. Best of luck to all hunting this achievement.

Tiberrs의 댓글

Achievement - The Rat Pack
The Rat Pack has proven challenging to figure out, but Tzhaa and other group members have done it!

There are several rats that spawn between between Curator and Shade of Medivh
These rats are lootable and will give you a Rodent of Usual Size
Once you have mounted the rat, you can defeat the Mana Devourer and will earn the achievement!

Image: http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2016/december/ratPack.jpg

Source:http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

styx8554의 댓글

Found 3 of the rats in the chamber before the Shade of medivh

IloveMimiron의 댓글

As a druid i must say: Really Blizz? Really? Shapeshifting despawns the rat? not every druid plays resto or balance, you know it!

Armak의 댓글

Big Fat Hunter Warning: The Rat you're sitting on actually counts as a pet, like a hunter's pet. So Beast Mastery Hunters beware: You won't be able to summon your pet while rat-riding, turning your spec into an utterly useless one. Switching to a more useful specialization (yep, even Survival in this case) dismounts you!

Moltisanti의 댓글

Pro tip: If you are a frost mage, DO NOT CAST WATER ELEMENTAL as it will dismount you from the rat. And if you guys happen to wipe before killing Shade of Medivh, there will be rat respawns so it wouldn't hurt to pick up extra before going to Mana Devourer.

Faell의 댓글

After killing Shade, you will be spawned in the Mana Devourer's room if you enter the zone or die, and thus you won't be able to pick up any more rats.

This will cause a problem if:
1. You group wipes on the boss.
2. Anyone dies during the fight since everyone must be riding a rat for the achievement.
3. Someone loses their mount because they used heroic leap, shapeshifted, used a pet, etc.
4. Someone new joins your group after Shade has been killed.

The rats are not unique though. You can have everyone grab an extra rat just in case to fix problems 1, 2, and 3.

Toletheus의 댓글

As a heads-up for shifter druids (Guardians, etc): you can mount the rat and then use the level 75 talent "Incarnation" to force yourself into your battle form. You can then participate in the fight as normal.

Zinrala의 댓글

Just fair warning. This is not bear druid friendly and I can't imagine why.
Was just trying to do this tonight with some friends. Was in bearform, mounted up, forced out of bear form, and unable to shift back.
Don't know if it works this way with anything else, if it's a bug, or what. But there should be some clarity here somewhere.

braunwynn의 댓글

Note to BM hunters, while on the rats your pets dont work. If you have a viable MM spec i suggest switching to it just for this achievement. Cant say for sure if any other pet specs have this same issue.

Selmak80의 댓글

When doing this achievement as a priest don't pop shadowfiend or it will kick you off the rat mount

gamerunknown의 댓글

So, I've been trying to get this achievement with different people each week. Every time someone ignores my instructions and clears to Medivh without picking up a rat. I just found out they respawned after reading the achievement today, but I got two players to agree to drop group so we could try it as three (healer, tank, dps). We got the boss down with every party member on a rodent... with no achievement. It appears to require five rodents of a usual size to award credit.

Myranda101의 댓글

Do not attempt this solo unless you have unlimited immunities. The rats are found as critters between curator & shade, one per person.
I just tried this alone and the rat takes damage during the fight. The aoe ability (where you can move out of) deals damage, and soaking the ball without immunities does too. Eg: With AMS (dk) you do not take any stacks, and the rat will not take any damage, but using a shield while soaking results in taking damage and the rat too, sadly. Ticking damage does not affect the rat.
I am uncertain if you need a full group but i do assume so, as the achievement clearly states it.
Good luck.

thijsiee의 댓글

The achievement is not doable with four people, we tried doing it appears that you need a full party.

SomeRandomDud3의 댓글

This achievement requires a 5 man group, and therefore is not soloable as of 8.0

Arithawn의 댓글

If you're a BM hunter you are screwed because as soon as you mount up on the rat your pet despawns so you are stuck spamming cobra shot trying to kill this guy.

Fawcan의 댓글

Still doesn't work solo in 8.1.5

xenolithix의 댓글

Reporting in from patch 8.3, April 2020, still not soloable, sadly.

benben의 댓글

Doable in heroic mode !

predatorz9431의 댓글

This achievement can be done in heroic mode ! Just did it today

Exephia의 댓글

I still do not understand how this along with other old content achievements have not been changed to accommodate soloing.

My fault for not doing it when it was current!

As of 9.1 NOT soloable.
As of 9.1.5 NOT soloable.
As of 9.2 NOT soloable.
As of 9.2.5 NOT soloable.
As of 9.2.7 NOT soloable
As of 10.0.7 NOT soloable
As of 10.1.7 NOT soloable

As of 10.2 NOT soloable

Kalthoreil의 댓글

Still cannot solo it as of 10.0.7

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