Leronroll의 댓글

Whatabout us engineers who don't have mining, skinning, or herbalism? =*(

479298의 댓글

Think this will be a replacement for the mote extractor, or that we'll get both?

Frozenkex의 댓글

they need to add fishing and archeology to this then it could be useful for non gatherers.

177048의 댓글

Oh sweet, a new mote...zap....wait a second....
*reads tooltip*
....
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

707468의 댓글

As of live, this item can not be placed in an engineering bag.

... wat.

Hapseleg의 댓글

Now the question is
Will this work on low skill level stuff (copper ore, peacebloom etc) as it dosent say anything about that (my guess would be it dosent work tho ^^)

175233의 댓글

Stupidly cannot be put into engineering bags. Mined 50+ nodes of elementium and rich elementium with this in my bag, only yielded 4 volatile air.

164598의 댓글

Uh, where do you learn to make this? None of the engineer trainers in Org have it on the list, despite Wowhead saying they do.

Scfs123의 댓글

Skinning in Deepholm.
Off the Bats, i got about a Volataire Air Skin every 2 packs of bats on average.(1-2 airs happen when it happens.)

The Dragons in Northern Deepholm, saw around 15% skin rate on them. I got aboot 1 volatile air for every 2 dragonscales.

All in all.
Very disapointing for skinning.
Yet, it still beats farming air elementals for drop rates.

217861의 댓글

They should remove the engineer requirement but make it bind on account

sforzie의 댓글

I have not yet received any volatile air while looting my skinning results (even after 330 scraps and 90 savage leather), but I did notice that when opening the strange bloated stomachs that sometimes loot when you skin, they have been having 2 volatile air in them in addition to another singular mote. Perhaps this is where they volatile airs are appearing?

JohnEP의 댓글

The picture is wrong! No longer requires level 85, just engineering of 440.

148144의 댓글

herbalists dont need alchemy to find volatile lifes while gathering herbs.
miners dont need jewelcrafting to find volatile earth.
tailors dont need enchanting to find extra cloths.
jewelcrafters dont need inscription to have a chance for perfect green gems.

can someone explain to me why a gathering profession is required for the engineer to have some extra profit?
yes, none forces you to craft it, engineering is still fun with it or without it.
but the concept behind this is just wrong.

Etreum의 댓글

They should at least add fishing to it and give out volatile water...

kitrinx의 댓글

They should have included fishing and archeology to make it a little more fair to engineers without gathering

pandaman의 댓글

The drop rate of extras from this may be fairly low, but it has paid for itself within one mining circuit when you consider the prices of Volatile Air

bigfluffy의 댓글

Ugh. Almost as big a slap in the face as the fact that the Org engineering trainer doesn't have an anvil in his shop, making you run halfway across the city to make things once you learn them. Meanwhile, I've obtained exactly one volatile air questing from 80-85, they're 50g each on the AH, and anything I can make to get a skill-up requires 4 of them.

458559의 댓글

This only works on deposits and veins when comming to mining, mined about 50ish Scalding Rock Elemental with not a single air =/

Would love if some1 else could comfirm this, might just be very very very low proc chance?

724826의 댓글

Honestly, there's no reason to be upset about this item. The chance of actually getting a volatile air is extremely low. (Sorry, don't have any numbers)

Myhv의 댓글

After doing 2 circles around ulrum mining, I got 2 or so airs. Really disappointing, it's actually faster to simply far them of mobs. Yes, you won't get the benefit of overpriced ore and you are more likely to get ganked, but at least it won't be so slow.

Also, for some unknown but still ludicrous reason it won't fit in to tool box.

mrgummage의 댓글

Anyone have any info on whether the level of the item being mined / skinned has an effect on the amount / frequency of the drops? IE does an Elementium Vein have a higher drop chance than an Obsidian Deposit?

elrenno의 댓글

I have been skinning like a madman with one of these in my bags and NO Volatile Airs have dropped for me. Is there some bug right now?

Mowse의 댓글

Why does this not fit in an engineering bag :(

295760의 댓글

Has anyone else noticed that it seems to be an either/or situation whether you get Volatile Air or Volatile Earth from a node? If you have the Condenser in your bag, you only get Air from nodes, if you don't, you only get Earths. That's my experience, anyway.

Shashos의 댓글

A stack of Savage Leather and a stack of Blackend Dragon Scales off the dragons in Twilight Highlands and not a single Volatile Air.

That terrible of a drop rate surely can't be what they intended...?

Edit: 2 hours of questing in Vash'jir to finish up the zone yielded 3 more stacks of leather and the only Vol. Air I got was from opening up Strange Bloated Stomachs. Whatever the drop rate of Volatile Air off this item is now, it's so negligible to not even be worth the mats put into creating it. I hope they re-evaluate whatever they did to the drop rate soon.

Mojorx의 댓글

Still can't be place in an Engineers "Toolbox".
Everything that has an Engineering requirement,
should go in an Engineers "Toolbox"

742660의 댓글

Alright so after skinning about 200k gold worth of leather, this is what I think.

During launch period, volatile air would drop along with the leather. However not long after, Blizzard must've merged the volatiles along with the Strange Bloated Stomach. I say this because I am GUARANTEED to get at least one Volatile air every Stomach. This is either how the stomach is for everybody or the Condenser is working its magic. Just my two copper.

citrique의 댓글

Just to clarify how this worked before and works now for skinners, since there's a ton of confusing comments in this thread:

Since 4.0.3a, skinning cataclysm mobs has always had a chance (1-2%) for a strange bloated stomach item to drop. This item always contains 1-2 random volatiles.

If you were a skinner and had this engineering item in your bag, you would occasionally (1-2% of the time) loot 1-2 volatile air along with the leather / scales you got from the act of skinning. Sometimes you would loot the leather, 1-2 volatile air, and a strange bloated stomach containing 1-2 random volatiles.

About 10 days ago, a hotfix was implemented which changed the behavior of this. As of now, how it works is that you no longer have a chance to receive volatile air from the act of skinning a mob, however you have a 100% chance to receive 1-2 volatile air in addition to the 1-2 random volatiles you receive from the strange bloated stomach item.

Therefore the amount of bonus volatile air you receive from this item is the same as it was before the hotfix, just the game servers only have to roll the proc dice once per skin (strange bloated stomach chance) instead of twice (both stomach and air proc) due to this item forcing an additional roll, resulting in slightly less lag when skinning mobs.

743433의 댓글

Let me start by saying this;

I completely agree that this should not require engineering to use. I do not like being forced to farm with a specific toon who was not intended for it.

That being said, I don't understand why the complaints on this item is so high. I know that we engineers need Volatile Air badly, but would you rather this not exist and have to farm mobs?

I wouldn't, as on my server right now a stack of Obsidium ore goes for about 150g. That translates into about 7 Volatile air if I buy the air with the money from selling the ore. I gathered 32 stacks of ore over a couple hours, and made over 4kg. That's a LOT of air when you think of it in those terms. If you got 1 air per node, with an average of 2-3 ore per node (non-rich mind you) that adds up to about 7 per stack of ore, and I know skin is going for a comparable price.

No, it is not fair to buy a ton of air and thus risk shooting ourselves in the foot by driving up the prices, but instead of thinking of this as a horrible blight on us, try to think about how much we really do get from this.

Yes, the proc could be higher. Yes it shouldn't require engineering. Yes it should fit in a toolbox.... Wait.. Why does that matter?

Oh, and for those of you that haven't noticed the true engineering perk, I think that the tinker section now being allowed to share with other item enhancements makes Lifeblood look like crap in comparison.

Anyways. I'm looking forward to my engineering being at 525 and my pile of gold when I sell all of the farmed items, not just the ore (silver lining to higher prices!) I hope you all make bank on this too.

And seriously... It needs to fit in your toolbox?

714668의 댓글

Does this reduce the chance to get other kinds of volatiles? All I seem to get are Volatile Air. I have stacks and stacks of that and will farm Twilight Highlands for hours mining and get 1 or 2 Volatile Earth.

742292의 댓글

After a mere 168 nodes I finally got a Volatile Air.. Was starting to wonder if this item was put in the game as a joke and now I know it really is! Total waste of bagspace. Had I known how crap it was I wouldn't have spent the money on training it in the first place..

Meh..

Edit:
Procced twice in a row and hasn't done since.. 75 nodes and counting!
This item is such a tease!

jahf의 댓글

If they would just modify this to also up the %-chance of a drop from mobs that already drop Volatiles, it would be fine for non-gatherers. Having just spent an hour farming Volatile Air from Uldum for a whopping 11 ... is not fun.

Easo의 댓글

After making ticket, i was told, that it not going into engineering bags are intended... Great...

RedRacer의 댓글

This item isn't like the zapthrottle mote extractor. It doesn't go in your icon bars, it stays in your bags as a passive trait. When you mine it will give you more of a chance to get volatiles.

qaccy의 댓글

Probably an obvious answer just reading the item itself, but...does this item work while scrapping mechanical mobs? Or has anyone tried?

91711의 댓글

So. Over 400 stacks of ore mined today. 12 Volatile Air? They need to either buff this or remove it and bring back clouds. Because this is ridiculous. Especially with the amount of Volatile Air we need as engineers. To think I gave up Herbalism for Engineering.

602613의 댓글

this things a P.O.S. i haven't gotten a single air while skinning, ive been 540 skinning for quite a while now

168043의 댓글

Does anyone know if (engi) skilllevel plays any part in the chance % of finding volatile air ?

756863의 댓글

It looks like this has been fixed. A number of mine nodes in Hyjal gave me Volatile Air after I made this item, on par with now with the number of Volatile Earth (actually twice as many).

159492의 댓글

Does this proc off using gathering professions on mobs? i.e, if i mine a minable elemental enemy, or herb a killed plant enemy, is there a chance at a volatile?

230552의 댓글

This thing really needs a higher proc rate. For a long time I was wondering if it was even working or was bugged or if I was using it wrong or something.. until I finally got a single air.

The necessity of air as an engie compared to the rarity is pretty insane.

700511의 댓글

People like those of you who don't have a gathering profession are the reason why i'm rich from selling elementium and pyrite. thanks!
also, if you dont need it:
DONT MAKE IT

517538의 댓글

I've skinned over 200 stacks of savage leather and I've gotten 1 Volatile Air. Atm this item is pure crap for skinners (or I'm cursed).

Kelindre의 댓글

I'll add my 2 cents. I have 2 toons that are 85 now. One is Engineer/Miner. The other JC/Miner. I use both of them for mining for an hour at a time every week day morning before work. My engineer has Electrostatic Condenser in his bags. There is ABSOLUTELY NO diff in drop rate of Volatile Airs from mining between the 2 toons. In that 1 hour period either toon has gathered between 10-16 Volatile Airs.

762882의 댓글

nvm

Lyramia의 댓글

I mine elementium daily in Uldum. Normally come out of the zone after a couple hours with 160+ lumps of elementium and 12+ lumps of pyrite. The amount of volatile fire, earth and water collected from just mining almost always exceeds the amount of volatile air - this is with a 525 miner, 525 engineer.

For example, right now, I have 144 lumps of eternium, and 10 lumps of pyrite. Along the way, mining only with the electrostatic condenser in inventory, I have these volatiles: 8 earth, 6 fire, 6 water and 1 air.

Fortunately I have a 525 alchemist who can transmute elements, because it often seems as though the little gadget that takes up room in bags is essentially worthless. Maybe I'd never get air otherwise, I don't know...

747110의 댓글

Would really like to see this ENGINEERING item fit in an ENGINEERING bad. As the poster above said in so many words, "Hey Blizzard - FAIL"

404413의 댓글

I do not normally post on the forums but I'd like to say, when I started out mining a couple of weeks ago, my miner/engineer mined for about an hour and came back with 22 air with the gadget in my inventory. I really noticed this week that after mining in the same area, for the same amount of time, I came back with 1 air. Either Blizzard should lower the amount of air that engineers use or they should make the gadget work like it is supposed to work. I know for a fact that someone that isn't an engineer mining in the same place, for the same amount of time, gets as much air as I do so this gadget doesn't help any at the moment.

Everyone needs to open a ticket and complain so Blizzard gets the message.

40799의 댓글

Well, I just mined 7 stacks of Obsidium in Hyjal and ended up with a grand total of 4 volitile air. Either I'm just horribly unlucky (which can't be discounted) or the drop rate on these is still stupidly low. Really miss the nice gas nodes we could spot and extract from like in the last 2 expansions :(

allyssoneloy의 댓글

am getting only volatile water, none volatile air... odd!

joker102877의 댓글

With Electrostatic Condenser in inventory:

Elementium Ore mined - 402
Pyrite Ore mined - 43
Volatile Water collected - 33
Volatile Air collected - 27
Volatile Earth collected - 23
Volatile Fire collected - 16

Note: In the interest of relevance, gems collected during this data collection have been omitted. This list of data is provided solely as an example of what one can expect while employing the use of Electrostatic Condenser.
Edit: Added Pyrite Ore data, as it is most definitely relevant.

770227의 댓글

To my feeling engineering skill has something to do with the drop rate. With a low level around 460 i got no volatile air whatsovever - then i leveled up to 495 and i get now 1 or 2 volatile air every now and then. Would be interested if any1 can confirm this with a higher engineering level. Atm i cant afford to level higher prices and recipes being what they r on my server :)).

Napkyn의 댓글

Is it just me or does this never work when skinning mobs?

I was farming Savage Leather for days and never got a single one.

361459의 댓글

Weird thing this item can NOT be placed in any engineering bag...
Even though it's created with engineering and requires engineering to be used

168740의 댓글

leveled my skinning to 525 with not a single volatile air drop. drop rate sux

etrin의 댓글

Just like everything else with Ghostcrapper in charge.
WHY THE H don't they fire that stupid idiot?

OH WAIT maybe they want us pissed off and quitting.

typical for buzzard if it ain't broken they will fix it until it is

761987의 댓글

Question: Does this have to be in my bags or can I keep it in my bank bag?

781162의 댓글

DOES IT STACK?

javsiam의 댓글

I'm unclear on something. This item doesn't fit in a gear socket, right? Do I just carry it in my bag and it'll work?

720870의 댓글

I have a goblin with herbalism and decided to power-level engineering for this bad boy since my alchy needs air for true-gold transmutes.... what a mistake. Not sure if its just my bad luck but after 283 herbs my Volatile Air yield is 2.5%..... if I didn't like the other toys i can make, I'd sooo be ticked off. I know the proc is per pick and not per herb, but still.....

Its easier and faster to get the air from the Sons over in Uldum than to hope for it off herbalizing.....

This definitely needs fixing!

178266의 댓글

Looks like 4.0.6 made this fit into engineering toolboxes.

So much for "working as intended", eh?

jugernaut의 댓글

Does this work on Northrend skins/herbs/ores?

duckthing의 댓글

Is there any reason this would affect the gathering of crystallized elements from saronite or titanium nodes? Before I built this, an hour and a half of farming those nodes would produce about 40 crystallized fire and about 40 crystallized air. Now that I've built one, I get that much in under 30 minutes at the expense of less crystallized earth and shadow. That's a significant difference, obviously. Anybody have any thoughts?

Vanthalas의 댓글

The tooltip is misleading. Where you read "occasionally", should actually be "rarely"

picro의 댓글

it is a joke, i have put in my bank and there it will be for ever or to blizzard fix it!
i still get Volatile Air drop rate 3%

Allecto의 댓글

After reading the comments here I thought this would be useless, but that there was no harm having it my bag while I mined. After 2 hours mining before I bought one I got no Volatile Air, but in the 1 hour after (when I had this) I farmed myself 26 Air, more than any other volatile. I farmed both times in the same place. So for the sake of one bag slot, I think this is worth having.

I'm not sure I understand people saying this is a penalty? I mean, you don't really lose anything. It's just not useful to everybody.

273322의 댓글

so this thing confuses me...i basically just need to keep it in my bag while farming nodes and it procs on its own? Or do u use it like i would with the mote extractor?

m0j0의 댓글

I have to say the % on this is horrible....280 whiptail and NO air at all... finally 2 on my next herb, this is with 500 engi. IDK if engi skill has anything to do with it, but i seriously hope so.

I think a good idea would be to make it give the same % it does right now for a gathering skill but also give it the ability of a mote extractor. Either get low drops of your normal gathering or be able to go farm clouds or whatever iteration they would make for Cata.

AlaskanDruid의 댓글

As of patch 4.1, this have been removed from the game. Trainer will show that you trained for it, but new engineers can no longer train for it. And it has been removed from your spell book ..

WTF blizz...

seeker296의 댓글

This item seems to only work on cata nodes, kinda sucks that I can't farm mats for the mechano-hog and become rich off of volatiles at the same time...

847831의 댓글

i was getting som volatile's first whit this thing on me none so it dos something and the 5 poinds of skill up was nice to

Mowse의 댓글

Finally fits in the engineering bag!

325783의 댓글

I spent about 1.5 hours mining in twilight higlands yesterday. With this in my bags, I picked up 26 volatile airs and 250 elementium ore. So that's about 2 airs per stack of ore.

Emlyn의 댓글

Don't know what all the complaining is about. If you're an engineer and don't mine what were you thinking? I have made tons of gold selling smelted ore and jewels I don't need. Even my alt who has tailoring mines to make gold. it'so easy! As for the electrostatic condenser, it works just great I've been getting 2 volatile air every few nodes. Longest I went was 10 nodes before getting air, but it's usually no more than 4-5.

662350의 댓글

Is it just me or am I the only one who did not notice this in there book cause it was grey'd out? I really think the should change the grey color to something that is more noticeable (like white mayhaps)

Vaerosi의 댓글

Is there a level requirement for the Volatile Air "proc" to occur?

I'm flying around picking flowers in Mount Hyjal on my level 71 Tauren Druid right now, and have gone from an Herbalism skill of 425 to 448 (23 'gathers') without seeing a single Volatile Air. I do have the Condenser in my bags with me, right next to my Hearthstone and Gnomish Army Knife. ;)

The experience is delicious regardless (4,400xp per flower), but it would be nice if my Condenser, well...worked?

EDIT: Finally got two Air on flower number 29.

872459의 댓글

i dont see how it works do i just keep it on me?

855517의 댓글

Not sure what all the fuss is about. This item isn't meant to replace farming for Volatile Air, it simply supplements something that you would be doing anyway. With that in mind I find it to be very useful. Here is the total from my mining run, which doesn't take all that long to do in the Twilight Highlands. I stop at 200 elementium ore.

200 Elementium Ore
24 Pyrite Ore
31 Volatile Air
22 Volatile Fire
8 Volatile Earth
9 Volatile Water

Say I average 3 ore per node (both Elementium and Pyrite), that's ~75 nodes mined
Usually I get 1 or 2 Air in a node, let's call it 1.5, so ~21 drops in the nodes I mined
= 21/75 = 30%

Sure, if you need to farm large amount of air this isn't particularly going to help you. It isn't supposed to...like I say, supplemental. However if you are simply gathering ore (I can't comment for herbs etc) because you need ore, this is a great little extra that will give you enough air for the next few days of Truegold etc.

Perhaps it has a higher percentage with mining. If the chance is as low as 3% as I have seen people say, then don't bother getting angry at it. Just go farm your herbs etc with this in your bag and gives you a few extra g's if you want to sell them. If you're herbing or whatever with solely farming air in mind, you're going about it in the wrong way.

Update: Another mining run today produced:
200 Elementium Ore
28 Pyrite Ore
29 Volatile Air
17 Volatile Fire
13 Volatile Water
9 Volatile Earth
4 Alicite
1 Ember Topaz

~25% chance of Air that time.

Current prices on my realm puts that at 1632g in 50 minutes of mining. Let's call it 1958g per hour mining. 30% of that amount comes from Volatile Air, so this device is essentially worth ~587.5g per hour while mining to me.

yukonjack의 댓글

Emlyn (187 – 3) on 2011/08/05 (Patch 4.2.0)
Don't know what all the complaining is about. If you're an engineer and don't mine what were you thinking? I have made tons of gold selling smelted ore and jewels I don't need. Even my alt who has tailoring mines to make gold. it'so easy! As for the electrostatic condenser, it works just great I've been getting 2 volatile air every few nodes. Longest I went was 10 nodes before getting air, but it's usually no more than 4-5.

I'll tell you what I was thinking long before the release of Cata when i made my hunter both an engineer and a blacksmith, I was thinking what a great bonus to my dps by having the benefits of both professions and since i have an alt that has mining I can use it to supply my hunter with all the ore I will need to level both professions in Cata. Little did I know the amount of volatile air I would need to level engineering nor what the price would be!

Aglaia의 댓글

After skinning more than 100 beasts - no drop till now.
Is the drop rate for skinner really that bad or do I have simply no luck?

Till now mainly miners mentioned drops.

496207의 댓글

So far, I'll have to give this item a big thumbs down :( Rogue with Engineering & skinning... I made one of these before I could even skin cata hides. Once I hit clvl 78, I started skinning in Mt Hyjal, now at clvl 82 I've been skinning almost exclusively in Vashj'ir since 80 for the deepsea scales.

All of the skins go to my LW, and so far, I have 48 deepsea scales, 248 savage leather (after turning all the scraps into leather), 4 pristine hides, and 0 volatile air :( ~~So unless this thing is increasing the drop rate of the Strange bloated stomach, which doesn't necessarily mean I'll get Volatile Air, It seems to be a big time waste~~.

Now, I have gotten 8 Strange Bloated Stomach and all 8 did drop at least 1 Volatile Air, but that's way lower than the reported average 3% drop rate from skinning for me. ~~So perhaps it just increases the chance of finding Volatile Air in the stomachs if you're a skinner?~~ After continuing to gather information, it is very apparent that it gives a greatly improved chance (probably a 99% chance) of finding Volatile Air within the Bloated Stomach

~~Now matter how you slice it (pun intended), I'm very dissapointed.~~ No longer dissapointed in the Electrostatic Condenser, just dissapointed in my drop rate for Strange Bloated Stomach :(

=================================================
EDIT:11/1/11
I've since gone up to lvl 85, and have looted 14 more Strange Bloated Stomach, and so far I have a 100% drop rate of at least one Volatile air from the stomach's. Sometimes I'll get one air and one or two of something else, and sometimes I'll get 2 or three air. But I'm still getting way less than the reported 3% drop-rate for the stomach's, it's closer to 1% for me since reaching lvl 78.
=================================================

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
EDIT: 11/6/11
11 more bloated stomachs - makes 33 total since I've started skinning Cata, and still 100% drop rate for Volatile air, last 8 stomach's came with only 211 skins or better than 4% for those skins, but still under 2% overall.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So much better chance for Volatile Air if you're a miner Vs skinner :( Boo Blizzard

heine123의 댓글

been skinning in Twilight highlands for an hour now... not..a..single..one......

866160의 댓글

Can't see why Blizzard won't apply the condenser attributes to engineers who don't skin, herb or mine. I'm an engineer and jewelcrafter. Need 10 volatile airs daily for my alchemist, as part of a transmute recipe for truegold. Built the electrostatic condenser and went to Orsis in Uldum to slay a few Scions of Al'Akir. Was curious to see what the volatile air drop rate would be for a non-gathering engineer. Here's the results:

Time spent: one hour

Scions of Al'Akir killed: 101

Volatile airs dropped: 19

Gold made from vendor: 44g 25s 61c (after 1g 83s 3c for repairs)

Incidental drops: 3 greens that yielded 3 hypnotic dusts and 2 lesser celestial essences.

BTW, the 19 volatile airs would have cost me over 320 gold at the AH on the Skywall realm.

Padeen의 댓글

I made a condenser when I first leveled Eng to 525 Oct. 2011. As this toon is also a miner I thought it would be a welcome addition. For the first two months it kept me swimming in V. Airs, for the next two I kept my head above water. Now, and for the past month, I'm lucky to get 1 V. Air while mining 10 stacks of elementium. Thanks Bliz for a little help; sorry you wouldn't let it last. What I can't say is whether they've all been nerfed, or whether they're just on a CD; it's effectiveness cools as it ages. Perhaps if I make a new one . . .

lcarnegie의 댓글

fyi this doesn't work in pandaria.

yurifb의 댓글

Can someone ask me if there's a version of Pandaria of this item or it just work as well in Pandaria?

soJlith의 댓글

This doesn't work in your garrison's mine or garden.

Auraylassa의 댓글

Was wondering whether it was worth it to craft this or not and decided to anyways. I am getting Volatile Airs with almost every Cataclysm mining node now, so the drop rate from this this has gone way up. Definitely worth it.

Nuvas의 댓글

My result:

358 elementium ore
42 pyrite ore
TOTAL 400 ORE

17 volatile fire
19 volatile water
26 volatile earth
42 volatile air

So 400 ore resulted 42 air. Its a good 10%
Hope this helps

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