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News Roundup: 4.2 PTR Soon, Crowd Control Changes and more!

2011/05/03 시간 19:37에 Miyari에 의해 작성됨

4.2 PTR Patch NotesandyouPatch 4.2 Public Test Realms Coming Soon

Zarhym

We’re currently preparing to bring the first playable iteration of patch 4.2 to the Public Test Realms. A sizable portion of this content has been in development for some time, so let’s get it in gear! With a new raid, a legendary questline, the most diverse daily quest hub to date, major story developments, user interface enhancements, and much more, patch 4.2 is certain to have something for everyone. Check out some of the major patch features you need to know about, followed by the initial patch notes in our Patch 4.2 Public Test Realm Guide.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2723732

On 4.2 Change To Crowd Control

Zarhym

Oh, the hyperbole! I firmly believe kittens around the world are now crying because of the doom and gloom in this post. Is this what you wanted? Do you want to make kittens worldwide suffer? That's what happens when you make hyperbolic statements. The cat population dies off from despair.

Many crowd control abilities no longer cause creatures to attack players when they are cast. The creature will not attack the player when the crowd control wears off, and nearby creatures will not become hostile to the player either. However, if a visible player gets too close to the target creature, the creature will remember and attack the player when the crowd control effect wears off. The intent is to make it easier for dungeon groups to manage crowd control assignments and pulling packs of hostile NPCs. The abilities affected by this change are: Hibernate, Entangling Roots, Wyvern Sting (will still cause hostility when it begins to deal damage), Freezing Trap, Polymorph, Repentance, Shackle Undead, Blind, Hex, Bind Elemental, Banish, Seduction.

No coordination is needed for clearing trash in instances anymore, why even have trash anymore, just make the whole dungeon/raid bosses!

If this change goes live, assuming that each DPS and possibly the healer can CC, every pull of trash will be one mob at a time, setup way ahead of the pull just to be leisurely aggro'd by the tank.
Gone will be the coordination of planning the attack of the enemies facing your group.

Is this a good idea? In my opinion this will take all the challenge out of 5 man dungeons and raids. Rouges used to be valued for their unique ability to sap and setup one mob for a pull, that always made a pull easier, imagine everyone in the group with that ability.
>>>>Homogenization anyone?<<<<

Maybe Blizz really wants the game to be a faceroll and to be only about gearing people up for raid content. I know a few people in my guild share these thoughts, I was wondering what the rest of the community thinks about this.

I started the game near the end of ICC raid content and the content of the game I've enjoyed the most is the Zul'Aman remake with its focus on teamwork compared to the dissaster of ease that plagued WOTLK content. I'm worried that the game is starting to navigate back towards that easiness for the sake of pleasing people who don't want to learn how to be better players.

tl/dr
blizz is ruining the game by caving in to casuals who say ZA/ZG are too hard and need a nerf

On Being "Dungeon Shy"

Nethaera

Is it possible to be dungeon shy? Sure. Even if you're playing with people you know, it's understandable that you don't want to let them down. The key is to not let it stop you from going in and giving it a shot anyway. Once you start doing them regularly, you'll start gaining more self confidence. Then, when you get to that point, start pushing yourself to take on other less comfortable roles (leading, guiding others through dungeons) and you'll find out soon enough that you can do anything you set your mind to and will enjoy your time more.

Despite the risk of getting a load of you know what from others on how I should just quit the game if I'm having this kind of problem( and yes, I admit I am assuming).

But is it possible to be Dungeon Shy? I have been afraid to go into dungeons with people who are not my friends, those few who still play, or my guild mates,who are on very infrequently. Plainly put, I have "performance anxiety".

I am frightened of getting into a group that I'm afraid I will disappoint them as I don't know all the dungeons nor the bosses, nor do I have phenomonal gear.
A silly thread, I know, but am I the only one who feels this way?

Daxxarri

03/20/2011 01:01 AMPosted by Prividenya
A silly thread, I know, but am I the only one who feels this way?

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Interest의 댓글We promise that the average group will still wipe in dungeons even with this change. We have plenty of data to back that up that supposition.doranobaka의 댓글Best quote ever.Ruind의 댓글*sigh* another clown thinking catering to casuals is a bad business policy...

What would hurt Blizz more: Casuals quitting, or the small % of "I dont need to work/goto school/have a family/or have an active social life"? Yeah, thought so.skyspanner의 댓글I hope cats can be changed slightly so they not as badSweetscot의 댓글I really don't see the issue with the CC change...you still have to CC, and not facepull while doing it...and you'll still likely want to mark the mobs to cc as a tank in a random because that mage may not know that the mob with the glowie stick is a healer...just now you don't have to communicate that while trying to catch a bunch of mobs that pulled when the sheep went off...you just gotta say "oh I need you to sheep {moon} instead, it's a healing mob. ty"

Sounds like an awesome change for my hunter, nothing worse than a tank wanting a trap pull and the trap missing by a hair and having to wait the cd or tank pulling mob onto trap (think caster mob) always annoying.

On the performance anxiety thing, I get that, it kind of comes and goes, especially if I've been having latency issues. I find it's worst on my hunter, the ole "huntard" thing makes me worry because I feel like I'm under a microscope, then mess up because I'm worrying about not messing up...which is why I usually just stick to healing instead.ncallister의 댓글The abilities affected by this change are: Hibernate, Entangling Roots, Wyvern Sting (will still cause hostility when it begins to deal damage), Freezing Trap, Polymorph, Repentance, Shackle Undead, Blind, Hex, Bind Elemental, Banish, Seduction.pxydtz의 댓글If this change goes live, assuming that each DPS and possibly the healer can CC, every pull of trash will be one mob at a time, setup way ahead of the pull just to be leisurely aggro'd by the tank.Hank의 댓글On the performance anxiety thing, I get that, it kind of comes and goes, especially if I've been having latency issues. I find it's worst on my hunter, the ole "huntard" thing makes me worry because I feel like I'm under a microscope, then mess up because I'm worrying about not messing up...which is why I usually just stick to healing instead.Interest의 댓글The abilities affected by this change are: Hibernate, Entangling Roots, Wyvern Sting (will still cause hostility when it begins to deal damage), Freezing Trap, Polymorph, Repentance, Shackle Undead, Blind, Hex, Bind Elemental, Banish, Seduction.On the performance anxiety thing, I get that, it kind of comes and goes, especially if I've been having latency issues. I find it's worst on my hunter, the ole "huntard" thing makes me worry because I feel like I'm under a microscope, then mess up because I'm worrying about not messing up...which is why I usually just stick to healing instead.I feel like king of the world on my Mage,but as soon as I step foot in a heroic to heal on my Paladin my blood pressure and nerves go through the roof.
Azazel의 댓글Holy Paladins are the worst healers right now (In PvP atleast). Roll a resto Shammy.SadisticPretzel의 댓글Zarhym needs taken down a few notches. That was a load of crap.

There's nothing elitist about having a group of friends you prefer to run with. And by now, marking mobs and CCing SHOULD be second nature. We've only been doing it for what? 6 years?

That last line about people deserving to fail was just bait. He was putting words in the OP's mouth. I guess nobody is allowed to express opinions the Blues disagree with anymore.SadisticPretzel의 댓글*sigh* another clown thinking catering to casuals is a bad business policy...

What would hurt Blizz more: Casuals quitting, or the small % of "I dont need to work/goto school/have a family/or have an active social life"? Yeah, thought so.domecrusher의 댓글It sounds like you're rockin' in this expansion. Presumably you even have an organized group of players with whom you play regularly. Maybe you even use vent so that marking and pulling targets is second nature. Perhaps if others aren't on your level of experience or play, they deserve to fail. Serves them right.

We disagree.

Dungeon Finder has suffered in Cataclysm because many of the Heroics are quite difficult for uncoordinated groups. That point is almost impossible to dispute. Some of the more elite players may say, “Good! Dungeon Finder was a stupid idea.” If you don’t adhere to that argument -- and we don’t -- there are basically two choices: make the dungeons so easy that they don’t require communication, or make the communication easierRelated, even with Call to Arms, tanks are often in highest demand for Dungeon Finder, and we think this is largely because tanks are expected to lead and set the pace of a dungeon run. It’s a ton of responsibility. A tank I work with said recently, “I don’t even mind doing all that, but it’s just such a pain to have to manually mark targets every single pull while the other players just wait around for me to tell them what to do.” With this change, there is less need to sit down and try to communicate about which is the sheep target and which is the trap target. And if someone CC’s the wrong thing, there is more chance for recovery. It’s the way Sap has worked for years, and you don’t generally see players calling for groups with 3 rogues just to make the trash that much easier.We promise that the average group will still wipe in dungeons even with this change. We have plenty of data to back that up that supposition.Voltt의 댓글*sigh* another clown thinking catering to casuals is a bad business policy...

What would hurt Blizz more: Casuals quitting, or the small % of "I dont need to work/goto school/have a family/or have an active social life"? Yeah, thought so.Irshim의 댓글It sounds like you're rockin' in this expansion. Presumably you even have an organized group of players with whom you play regularly. Maybe you even use vent so that marking and pulling targets is second nature. Perhaps if others aren't on your level of experience or play, they deserve to fail. Serves them right.

We disagree.
Sweetscot의 댓글I'm just baffled though...all this does is take away some of the consequence for fumbled cc coordination...it doesn't really make doing the actual cc or pull any easier...just removes the need to carefully time a pull with people who don't know each other and may have wildly different latencies. Totally am not seeing this big downside so many are yammering about.

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