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News Roundup: Darkmoon Faire in Town, Transmog Posts

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Jathro의 댓글 Some legendary items aren't just the luck of the drop. Some required a good bit of farming along with a proper kill. I for one would love to be able to show off my Val'nyr. I earned it when it was current, but now it's nothing more than a bank slot. ITHAQUA101의 댓글 I look forward to the day Legendary items can be moged. Dobbyone의 댓글 i personally like the deathmantle set for my rogue and the gul'dan set for my warlock Ashendal의 댓글 When this day come about 10% or more WoWplayers quit the game.\r
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Why? Because I can finally show off something that's been sitting in my bank for months or years at this point? What basis for that claim do you have or are you just making it for yourself? Is it the fact that their easy to get or is there "special snowflake" symptoms? I'm actually curious because after all this time no one who makes the argument against it has ever come up with anything else besides, "NO, THEIR SPECIAL AND SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED."\r
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What is it about certain items that turn people into guarded clams about letting anyone else have, "the precious"? It's a grouping of PIXELS. It would be better to show off that you have them then let them waste away. And so what if everyone mogs them. It seems like every blood elf paladin wears the Judgement Set. Should we not let tier sets be moggable anymore if that's the basis of your argument? "Overuse."\r
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I can understand holding your ground over letting something game breaking be added in or be allowed to continue. I can even understand a bit of sadness at people getting something you worked hard to get back then. Don't shut something out though because you don't feel like it should be shown off. And especially don't throw out arbitrary percents for things when you have no basis in fact about them. You're getting defensive about pixels that don't do anything but smack around other pixels. Who cares what shape they are. avnliquid의 댓글 oh no not 10% of wow population ? say it aint so jj3000125의 댓글 Sulfuras and Thunderfury took a long time, a lot of work, and a lot of gold to get, and I solo farmed them in Cataclysm. I more than deserve to transmog them. People who get them when they're current have their reward then, when it's current and they have the best item. I don't know why they have to compulsively ruin everyone else's fun to protect their own self-esteem. I don't get the argument that everyone will wear them because time has not made them trivial to obtain. They still require a lot of time and money, no matter how you spin it and transmog is a more than fitting reward for that effort, an effort I doubt many people would actually want to go through. j4ckal09의 댓글 When this day come about 10% or more WoWplayers quit the game.\r
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Why? Because I can finally show off something that's been sitting in my bank for months or years at this point? What basis for that claim do you have or are you just making it for yourself? Is it the fact that their easy to get or is there "special snowflake" symptoms? I'm actually curious because after all this time no one who makes the argument against it has ever come up with anything else besides, "NO, THEIR SPECIAL AND SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED."\r
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What is it about certain items that turn people into guarded clams about letting anyone else have, "the precious"? It's a grouping of PIXELS. It would be better to show off that you have them then let them waste away. And so what if everyone mogs them. It seems like every blood elf paladin wears the Judgement Set. Should we not let tier sets be moggable anymore if that's the basis of your argument? "Overuse."\r
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I can understand holding your ground over letting something game breaking be added in or be allowed to continue. I can even understand a bit of sadness at people getting something you worked hard to get back then. Don't shut something out though because you don't feel like it should be shown off. And especially don't throw out arbitrary percents for things when you have no basis in fact about them. You're getting defensive about pixels that don't do anything but smack around other pixels. Who cares what shape they are.\r
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So you went mad? In that case I can't take serious what you said. Feels lovely right?\r
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About the outlook... Ok lets give everyone a Ferrari. Also you are saying the outlook doesn't matter... Sure for now on everyone irl will look the same, like same things and hate same things. Or lets make every building look the same so one can be "special snowflake". What if everyone had Mona Lisa? See what I did there?\r
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Seems to me like you're forgetting this is a video game, friend. thaedris20의 댓글 When this day come about 10% or more WoWplayers quit the game.\r
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Why? Because I can finally show off something that's been sitting in my bank for months or years at this point? What basis for that claim do you have or are you just making it for yourself? Is it the fact that their easy to get or is there "special snowflake" symptoms? I'm actually curious because after all this time no one who makes the argument against it has ever come up with anything else besides, "NO, THEIR SPECIAL AND SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED."\r
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What is it about certain items that turn people into guarded clams about letting anyone else have, "the precious"? It's a grouping of PIXELS. It would be better to show off that you have them then let them waste away. And so what if everyone mogs them. It seems like every blood elf paladin wears the Judgement Set. Should we not let tier sets be moggable anymore if that's the basis of your argument? "Overuse."\r
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I can understand holding your ground over letting something game breaking be added in or be allowed to continue. I can even understand a bit of sadness at people getting something you worked hard to get back then. Don't shut something out though because you don't feel like it should be shown off. And especially don't throw out arbitrary percents for things when you have no basis in fact about them. You're getting defensive about pixels that don't do anything but smack around other pixels. Who cares what shape they are.\r
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So you went mad? In that case I can't take serious what you said. Feels lovely right?\r
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About the outlook... Ok lets give everyone a Ferrari. Also you are saying the outlook doesn't matter... Sure for now on everyone irl will look the same, like same things and hate same things. Or lets make every building look the same so one can be "special snowflake". What if everyone had Mona Lisa? See what I did there?\r
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I dont think ppl should use the car example as im sure everyone would love a ferrari and wouldnt care about who has the same car. \r
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As for the matter of transmoggable legendaries i dont think they should only because you know there will be a lot of ppl farming for theirs and then everyone will probably have thunderfurys transmogged which shows no individuality. janejunx의 댓글 Funny, I hate the old gear because of the general lack of glowing spell effects and the frequent lack of detail on the textures. arboachg의 댓글 I don't see why they couldn't set it up to where you could only transmog a legendary if you obtained it when it was relevant. For example, I can't use my Sulfuras due to getting it a year or so ago but I can use my Shadowmourne since I got it while raiding ICC. gunstarr의 댓글 Tha car example is not valid because everyone wouldent get the Ferrari, it would just be a Ferrari wrapper to put on their Buick. Shadowheart10의 댓글 I don't think moggable oranges are going to provoke mass ragequitting. If you have it, regardless of how easy it was to get or when you got it, I believe you have the right to show it off.

About the outlook... Ok lets give everyone a Ferrari. Also you are saying the outlook doesn't matter... Sure for now on everyone irl will look the same, like same things and hate same things. Or lets make every building look the same so one can be "special snowflake". What if everyone had Mona Lisa? See what I did there?

Of course, I might be misunderstanding, but this argument seems silly to me. Clearly, no one is handing anyone anything. If I have Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker, it's because I put in work and time for Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker. I didn't get the full blade sent to me in the mail because I'm level 90 and still don't have it. (Thunderfury, by the way, is merely an example, and the same principle can be applied to any uber\/legendary\/pseudo-legendary weapon. The simplicity of obtaining Thunderfury at this level is not a valid counterpoint.)

If everyone starts putting in the work to obtaining legendaries merely because they'd be moggable, I'd be shocked and stupefied. The only ones who seem to want moggable oranges (as far as I've seen) are those who already have them, for obvious reasons. The 'everyone's special, therefore no one's special' argument, therefore, is eye-rollingly silly to me. Ashendal의 댓글 So you went mad? In that case I can't take serious what you said. Feels lovely right?

About the outlook... Ok lets give everyone a Ferrari. Also you are saying the outlook doesn't matter... Sure for now on everyone irl will look the same, like same things and hate same things. Or lets make every building look the same so one can be "special snowflake". What if everyone had Mona Lisa? See what I did there?

No, I didn't go mad. I simply stated a point. And you're simply giving the same argument again. "Everyone will look the same!" So again, I make the point that we should outlaw all teir equipment from being moggable because their the most used transmog. (See the Judgement set point I made.) If everyone had a ferrari, it would still just be a car. And if everyone had a mona lisa it would still just be a painting. The only difference is the value the individual places on the item. In this case the value you all are putting on some pixels. You're also misinterpreting the term "special snowflake" that you are. That term in this case refers to someone who has to be special and not allow anyone else to have what he has.

If you earned something you should be able to show it off. Using YOUR example, if I have a ferrari I shouldn't be able to show it off once a better car comes out simply because someone else couldn't afford it. Why can't I simply replace the engine and use it again? Or even better why can't I buy a print of the Mona Lisa and display it in my house? It's not the mona lisa but it's a pixel representation just like a legendary. Kurazaku의 댓글 When this day come about 10% or more WoWplayers quit the game.\r
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Let them quit, if something like this gets their panties in a knot, I'd love to know how they made it this far to begin with.\r
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As for the matter of transmoggable legendaries i dont think they should only because you know there will be a lot of ppl farming for theirs and then everyone will probably have thunderfurys transmogged which shows no individuality.\r
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Unless you're, y'know, one of said people with numerous legendaries gathering dust in the bank. \r
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Personally, I'd love to transmog my Thunderfury, Twin Glaives, or Fangs of the Father. IDGAF if everyone and their cousin do the same. They stopped being a status symbol when they became farmable IMO. \r
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I put the time and work in to get the damned things, I want to be able to use them as skins how and when I want. acanadice의 댓글 Man i would love to be able to run around with my Thunderfury actually feeling like i have a lengendary instead of a FoS and a used bank slot.\r
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yea 100 other people on my server may already have it but if they earned it well done to them, no different than running around on a Raven Lord mount in my oppinion. suplup의 댓글 I wouldn't mind moggable legendaries. I, myself, wouldn't go out of my way to go get them, on account that some takes absurd time and money, and that some just don't look that good out of context. If everyone on my server wants to mog Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker, more power to them. They deserve it after who knows how many MC runs they did. Lepidus의 댓글 When this day come about 10% or more WoWplayers quit the game.\r
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Why? Because I can finally show off something that's been sitting in my bank for months or years at this point? What basis for that claim do you have or are you just making it for yourself? Is it the fact that their easy to get or is there "special snowflake" symptoms? I'm actually curious because after all this time no one who makes the argument against it has ever come up with anything else besides, "NO, THEIR SPECIAL AND SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED."\r
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What is it about certain items that turn people into guarded clams about letting anyone else have, "the precious"? It's a grouping of PIXELS. It would be better to show off that you have them then let them waste away. And so what if everyone mogs them. It seems like every blood elf paladin wears the Judgement Set. Should we not let tier sets be moggable anymore if that's the basis of your argument? "Overuse."\r
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I can understand holding your ground over letting something game breaking be added in or be allowed to continue. I can even understand a bit of sadness at people getting something you worked hard to get back then. Don't shut something out though because you don't feel like it should be shown off. And especially don't throw out arbitrary percents for things when you have no basis in fact about them. You're getting defensive about pixels that don't do anything but smack around other pixels. Who cares what shape they are.\r
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So you went mad? In that case I can't take serious what you said. Feels lovely right?\r
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About the outlook... Ok lets give everyone a Ferrari. Also you are saying the outlook doesn't matter... Sure for now on everyone irl will look the same, like same things and hate same things. Or lets make every building look the same so one can be "special snowflake". What if everyone had Mona Lisa? See what I did there?\r
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It seems as though you've missed the argument entirely. But, it also seems clear that this is due to a lack of understanding on what Transmog is for and what it means to most players. So, I'll start there: why transmog your gear in the first place? To transmog your gear requires two sacrifices: gold and space. You must pay gold each time you want to transmog an item, and while the cost may be inconsequential to some with a large gold income it is still a purchase. Additionally, this same purchase must be made each time a new piece of gear is obtained, as the transmog does not maintain over different pieces of gear in the same slot. The second cost to transmog is that of space. Either in your bags, bank, or void storage: gear you wish to transmog must be retained. And as nearly everyone who has run out of bag space can tell you, space is as vastly important as it is limited. Go check your AH and tell me the largest bags don't sell for a large amount, yet are nearly always worth getting.\r
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So, now that I've laid out the costs of transmoging I'll ask again: why transmog at all? It costs valuable resources, ones like space which are extremely highly valued. The answer, which I'm sure all people who transmog will tell you: to make their character look different then what their current gear looks like. Either because the gear they transmog into reminds them of a nostalgic period of the game for them, or simply looks cooler in their eyes; the goal of transmoging is to give players the option of further personalizing their characters. The importance here is that it changes the "look" of the gear, not the item itself.\r
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You're probably asking yourself, "What is this guy getting at? Of course I know what transmoging is for!" Well, your argument leads me to believe otherwise. It is inherently flawed because items in WoW do in no way work like cars: cars serve their purpose long after newer and better models have come out and come with a large barrier to entry (price), which you seem to ignore. But, let me entertain the metaphor for a moment. Again, let me ask: why would you want a Ferrari? Well, its a sports car. It goes fast. It looks cool. It is a status symbol of wealth and luxury. However, much like a legendary weapon (albeit, on a much much smaller scale) it has a pretty big barrier to entry. For the car its simply the cost of purchasing one, but for legendries its typically cost mixed with a large amount of time and effort. Farming Thunderfury, or any other legendary is no easy task, and it is by no means "free". Even the Mists legendary questline, while arguably the easiest to accomplish currently, takes weeks of effort and farming raids. Making Legendries available to transmog would not make them free. It would not remove the barrier to entry which is, arguably, much larger than the acquiring of most other items. \r
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To extrapolate from your brief statement what your belief is; should legendary items become available for transmog those items will oversaturate the player base due to a drive to transmog what you believe to be, what was once, a symbol of status and wealth, much like a Ferrari or a famous painting. However, you fail to realize that there is still a large dedication and gold sink into obtaining these items, just as there was back in the day of their relevancy. Yes, they are much easier to acquire now due to how overpowered characters are relevant to that content, but what gear isn't just as easy to require now? Old content is easily overpowered by today's player base, and there is nothing stopping players from going back and getting old tier sets. Some players still held on to their old sets, for no reason other than the memories they had of bygone days. Transmog allows them to relive those memories in current content, which is great. The same should be done for legendries. This isn't going to stifle gear choices, as the allowance of old tier sets hasn't dominated *every character*, which is what you claim it would do. Transmog allows each player to express what they think looks coolest or holds most value to them. It allows them to sport old gear that once meant something but doesn't now. Shouldn't each character be able to look how their player wants them to? What is the purpose of limiting creativity and diversity? Isn't the effort and dedication to acquire a transmog, especially one gotten when it was current content, enough of a justification for being able to transmog it? Rainemard의 댓글 The only people who care about being able to transmog Legendaries, are the people who would feel they couldn't because "everyone else is". By that logic, it would then be everyone else's fault for being "unoriginal" which prevents them from also using their Legendary as an xmog.\r
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I know someone who's exactly like this. Won't use T2 or T6 Paladin, T5 or T6 Warlock, refuses to use 5.2 BC weapons, etc. It's ridiculous to allow yourself to be so affected by other people, especially people you don't even know or see irl. \r
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IMO everything should be xmoggable. It's not like it's a completely revolutionary idea... wolfcub11의 댓글 This is going to get lost in the comments probably, but here it is anyway. Why not make the "Legendary" cloaks, and possibly the weapons be moggable if, and ONLY if, you acquired them while they were new. Similar to how the old vanilla PVP gear was\/is restricted to those that actually ranked up in Vanilla. rehlyihmah의 댓글 You know what? I really like shaman T14. It's colorful. It's flashy.\r
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Also, once I'll finally get my hands on Dragonwrath, I'll likely want to mog it, too, so...

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