Based on most of what i've seen so far, i feel like i'm fighting for the forsaken and not the Horde. I'm going to hold my tongue till launch and my personal experience, but i seriously don't like this "Horde" (forsaken) war campaign so far.
Isn't Derek ash in lore though? Unless they retconned it he doesn't have a body.https://wow.gamepedia.com/Derek_Proudmoore" Though he attempted to warn his father of the danger, Derek was incinerated by one of the dragons as he stood on top of the crow's nest. The dragon flames consumed him and his body crumbled as it fell, burned to mere ash. His boat was sent to the bottom shortly thereafter."I don't really care that much but it's little weird to see them change it after all these years.
So the horde version ends with a whole fleet razed. The alliance version ends with a single ship razed.Cool?
It says Derek Proudmoore’s son, did he have a son or is that a typo?
Is it explicitly stated in-game that the entire Proudmoore fleet is burnt? Within the screenshots provided in the article it looks like 1 or 3 ships burn which doesn't really seem like a fleet but the semantics of it make it seem more extreme. I'm only asking because in part 5 of the Alliance campaign already 1 Zandalari ship is destroyed, I don't know what happens within their final stage but I reckon since players of both factions went to Zuldazar/Kul-Tiras with the sole intention of acquiring a navy to overpower the opposite faction the alliance will be as equally successfull in this mission as the Horde has been which will be slightly anticlimactic. Although I must say the latest revision of Lilians character has made her much more sympathetic then before, I do hope for when the Mag'har arrive they will have as much development as the Forsaken have currently received so far in the expansion within their role in the Horde.
I'm especially amused by Voss + Zelling. I hope Sylvanas makes Zelling kill Voss as the price to keep his family safe...only to then make him watch as Nathanos kills them all. After all..
So it seems both factions sought naval power and both diminished the opposing naval powers, thus leaving both factions weak to the lurking old god threat? I'm interested in how the second half of the expansion plays out, particularly how Azeroth is healed and the impact of the old god attack.
Me: Well, at least Blizzard can't possibly make things worse than they already are.Blizzard: Hold my beer.Nathanos acting even more like a supervillain, check.The player being a mindless goon of the Forsaken with witless dialogue, check.Lillians character assassination continuing without pause, check.And just someone tell me... when has Lillian ever dealt with the Alliance to know that they "hate" the Forsaken.Let's not even get into Before the Storm. Let's pretend the books don't exist and focus on the game. Do the writers not even remember Lillian was raised and trained by the Scarlet Crusade who have nothing to do with the Alliance?Because she's sure making it sound like the Alliance is responsible for what she was. Nathanos does this too.I'm beginning to suspect the Horde writing team has zero knowledge of lore events pre-Legion (see also Saint Grom the Not-Tyrant) and simply figures Scarlets = human and Alliance = human therefore Scarlets = Alliance.Well that or they're just so desperate for MORALLY GREY WORLD OF GREY OMG EVIL IS A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE that they're just making crap up deliberately to make the Forsaken Horde have a grievance with the Alliance.Edit: Oh one other thing. The Alliance has Death Knights. This absurd argument of undead racism is automatically defeated by that alone. Any prejudice DKs suffered at the hands of the Alliance was also done equally by the Horde.I mean really it shouldn't surprise me that they're mischaracterising Lillian and her backstory since, well, they're mischaracterising every single character in the Horde to serve their stupid narrative. Yes, even Saurfang. The actual Saurfang would challenge Sylvanas to mak'gora and cleave her in two, not run away and give up. Yes, even Sylvanas. Even thr Sylvanas of Cataclysm wasn't this deranged and utterly insane in her actions.I guess Nathanos is the only one in-character, but he was always a worthless goon.
All the alliance salt on my tongue. Tastes delicious <3
As a pro-Forsaken, I'm expecting several repeated, relentless, ruthless kicks to the kidneys this upcoming expansion, and possibly the rest of the game's narrative.My deepest respects stemmed from it's founding days - when they broke the fingers on the hand crushing them into submission and forced them to fall back with heavy losses. When they reclaimed the lands many of them fought and died on while combating the vultures seeking only to sweep the bones under the rug. When they challenged a world that challenged them ceaselessly and discriminately for rights as simple as existence.They were perhaps the most legendary freedom fighters in the entire game.But what comes after -this-? The plot is rapidly unraveling and shredding away any shape or form of inspiration and integrity they could have wielded, leaving nothing but marred and ruined rhetoric. I understand this sort of undeath will bitter your spirits and dim your hope, but it's pitiful little more than Lilian Voss has any sort of silver lining.Roberick Dartfall, featured in Lands of Conflict (circa 2004), could have been an INSTRUMENTAL symbol to the Forsaken, would the developers even confirm his existence beyond a decade-and-a-half old novel (on the other hand, who could have anticipated Nathanos Blightcaller's return?). He encompassed much of their best and truest qualities, warmly welcomed and defended outsiders, and not only believed in the Forsaken's good will but put his money where his mouth was and LED such a following himself.... Or who knows? Maybe he will become another one-dimensional antagonist ...
If this expansion has done one thing - it’s really just showed how dense people can be.War is complicated, sacrifice is complicated, the needs of a few vs the needs of many is complicated.People are just so fast to zurg and point at the forsaken and criticize any development they have, it’s honestly shocking.There is clearly a story to be told here, there is clearly a plot developing, and there is clearly a world of complicated decisions to obtain complicated means of advancement.Thank goodness most of you aren’t in politics or any positions of power, - because I see TONS of black and white statements without context, and statements being made by people who are just taking everything at face value. Yiiiiikes.I never thought I would have to say this in a WOW forum of all forums:Different people think differently than you; and that’s okay. You don’t need to mindlessly zurg and yell because you don’t understand something.“Many will not understand, but The spirits whisper a name....windrunner”