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WoW Economy Weekly Wrap-Up: 8.1 PTR Recipes, Fishing, Niche Markets plus The Undermine Journal
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WoW Economy Weekly Wrap-Up
Welcome to the 60th edition of the WoW Economy Weekly Wrap-up! In this edition we're looking at PTR Profession Recipes, Fishing systems ideas, niche markets and The Undermine Journal!
If you're new to this series or want to re-visit past posts, you can
check out the previous articles right here on wowhead.com
My name is
and I’m the lead moderator for the
and the accompanying
. I am also the Support/Community Manager & User Evangelist for
, the Auction House addon suite for World of Warcraft. I hope to cover and showcase some of the interesting topics, discussions, content and guides that have been going on over the last week in the gold making community. Some that you might have missed as a veteran gold maker, or you might be interested in checking out for the first time as a new or aspiring ‘goblin’.
The format will not be that of a traditional guide, but links to further reading with commentary and opinions of my own. I will be looking at the bigger picture, the decision making and thought processes in being a gold maker – rather than a step by step instructional list. As the saying goes, “give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”.
PTR Profession Recipes
A PTR build rolled out this week, along with two rounds of hotfixes to the game. None of which included any relevant or interesting information regarding the previously mentioned Auction House overhauls, professions or the economy of the game.
There was a developer Q&A this week too, with Game Director Ion Hazzikostas, that primarily focused on Azerite Trait systems and feedback. You can
check out the Wowhead liveblog and catch up on the VOD if you missed it
Looking in to the PTR profession changes further after discussion in the community, the new recipes for crafted BoE gear that are being introduced in 8.1 have sparked a bit of disappointment, as they require
similar to some current live recipes. To be specific, two marks are required for rank 2 and another four marks when you want to get rank 3.
With over 64 crafted item recipes, that's almost 400
across various professions to obtain rank 2 and 3 in order to be competitive on the Auction House. And if I'm anything to go by, my alternate characters as a gold-making focused player are nowhere near suitable for active PvP play to get this currency. This is a slightly different but specific focus compared to Legion, in which you could get rank 3 recipes from various sources and if you didn't want to participate in PVP you only missed out on one or two recipes.
@JessiDee303 talks a bit about why this may be the nail in the coffin for her EU gold-making challenge
Looking at the PTR, it appears that Blizzard intend for the new crafted BoE gear, Sinister Combatant’s, to require Marks of Honor for the rank 2s & 3s again. Now I know, “it’s the PTR, it could change” but the fact that the gear is called Sinister Combatant’s and the recipes are on the same vendor as the Honorable Combatant’s recipes does suggest that Blizzard intend to once again force us goldmakers to grind our faces against content that has nothing to do with goldmaking.
I HATE PVP! I’m not good at it, I don’t enjoy it, and waiting sometimes half an hour in a BG queue only to be steamrolled by the other team that is complete with 3 healers while you have only 1 and are also 2 members short of a full team, can be rather rage inducing.To go through all of that and get no reward, thus making no progress towards that next recipe rank is infuriating, especially when you don’t want to be playing PVP in the first place. It seems though that we may be expected to do it all over again in 8.1.
And I do agree, what little time I do have available to play the game I don't want to spend doing something I don't enjoy like PVP in order to get better at something I do enjoy doing at the Auction House. Legion was already pushing it, especially with a couple of recipe ranks requiring victories in rated PVP for a
of it dropped (really..), but to wall off a large section of a profession behind a repeated kind of content is a bit annoying to say the least. The Legion system for introducing a profession that required one stop in a dungeon normal difficulty dungeon was great, it kept the story and RPG element of the system in place without making it inaccessible for a large portion of the gold-making population.
I normally save this top section for updates and hotfixes to the game, I just hope there is more to share for gold-makers and economy-focused players since the lack of interest in the game in its current state is starting to appear in the gold community too.
What do you think about the accessibility of recipes in Battle for Azeroth? Do you mind participating in something you don't specifically enjoy in order to perform better in something else that you do enjoy doing?
/u/Virlomi shared their feedback on Fishing this week with some interesting ideas to tweak the way we fish
Hi! I made a post on the World of Warcraft forums for this, and would like feedback and further ideas for this.
If you're interested in reading the thread, or giving it a like after reading it here, it's located here
Hello, everyone! I want to sit down with you all, and see if you're interested in this idea, and maybe get some traction for it to be implemented by the game developers.
Currently with Mining and Herbalism, you can click on a node and gather the entire thing in one fell swoop. It was a change that was, at the time, a godsend it seemed like. It made farming more efficient for both ores and herbs. I want to bring the same sort of thing, as well as a couple other things, to fishing.
Don't get me wrong, there have been vast improvements over the years. Additional bobbers, baits, new fishing poles, etc. Can't say that I've exactly gotten new visually seen items with herbalism or mining every expansion, at least not ones that are easily noticeable.
Additionally, I liked the idea of getting quests to learn new techniques to gather more items from a node that came with Legion, instead of just finding a mining node that was 'Rich X' ore nodes. It felt like I was involved more with learning about how to gather the new resources. I will say I didn't like how long it took for some people to get Rank 3 of certain professions (ie; it took me until ToS to finally get Rank 3 of Felslate nodes. Not seam, just the more common node). Battle for Azeroth's Rank 3's, on the other hand, felt much better paced. And it continued involving the character with the story of how the Zandalari work their natural resources.
So, what am I proposing here? For the sake of a little bit of vanity, it's this:
New reputation, immediately available in Battle for Azeroth's next major patch, or possibly next expansion, and be a present faction until the End Times. Inspired by The Anglers, which should never have been left behind. Let's call it...
Kaitelynn's Fishing Emporium
: You hear about this faction, and investigate. There shouldn't be a whole lot quite yet available, just as with most reputations. Basic vendor items available.
: At friendly, you unlock new vendor items. A couple new bobber, maybe a slightly-cooler-than-basic-fishing pole, Rank 2 cooking recipe that involves fish, etc.
Key Friendly Unlock
: This is the point where you learn the very basics of fishing in the new expansion. If this were to go live with BFA, I would give fishing a chance to pull out 50% more fish per cast. Provide an introductory quest or short questline to get this, as well as a few World Quests in the various zones to gain reputation and fishing related rewards. In the future expansions, this will be Rank 1 Fishing for that expansion as you learn basic knowledge about the new fish.
: At Revered, you unlock more vendor items as usual. More bobbers, other Rank 2 recipes or even Rank 3 recipes of non-feast cooking recipes.
Key Revered unlock
: Fishing lures that attract specific types of fish when in open water fishing. (Example, currently you open water fish and get an average of 50% casts being Redtail Loach or Greatsea Catfish; this would change this chance to something like a Redtail Loach lure providing closer to 80% of casts being Redtail Loach, and 20% Greatsea Catfish). In future expansions, this would be Rank 2 for that expansion as you learn about the new fish.
: At Exalted, every vendor item is available. The tabard, new faction related mount, toys, pets, etc, as well as one of the Rank 3 feasts recipes perhaps.
Key Exalted unlock
: You're now able to buy a Cast Net. This is a new item that would allow you to cast over a fishing node, consume the entire node, and provide 10-15 fish from it. In future expansions, this will be the Rank 3 unlock for that expansion as you learn about the new fish.
I really love this idea, and it'll make fishing a lot more engaging in the long term. The throwback to the Legion fishing artifact ability for the chance to catch everything in a pool in one cast is brilliant. You could even make a version of it that's craftable then tradeable with other players, with a limited use compared to the Exalted net from the vendor. Fishing pools are kind of pointless in Battle for Azeroth since you can generally fish wherever you like, so making it worthwhile to target them and be rewarded for moving around like you would while collecting herbs and ore would be great.
/u/Nakedseamus shares their thoughts
Fishing is vastly broken.
There is absolutely no reason to seek out nodes. Freshwater fishing is more efficient for gathering Loach for example because even after you spend time searching for a node, you still only get one fish at a time from it. Better to stand still and wait for waterfront turn ins to include great sea catfish.
Out of 500 casts with UA I actually caught more trash than 1000 cats without using the UA, making the benefit of having it still sort of work in BFA null. And who needs a ton of waterwalking if you aren't node hunting.
Fish oil being available from the fishing vendors at launch is still impacting prices (at least on my server) so that if the fish itself isnt used in a feast they go for a fraction of what other fish do because people still have 20k fish oil they bought from a vendor, and are willing to sell it super cheap. This makes fishing for goldmaking very slow gph wise which in turn makes people not want to do it, which lowers supply which drives prices of those other fish up even higher.
Theres no major goal. No artifact, no fisherfriends, and therefore no community. Grinding rep in a raid for fisherfriend of the isles was (and still is) cool in a chill way, but it's a shame that I have to go to older content to still have some sort of community.
Have you fished yet in Battle for Azeroth? How does it compare to Legion fishing with the Artifact fishing pole?
After all of the discussion and sentiment in the community about the lack of interest in gold-making recently and how the economy isn't as fun to play as it was in Draenor or Legion for example,
/u/Moonkyng shared a refreshing post on the /r/woweconomy subreddit with two strategies that are quite outside the box
I've always been a proponent of avenues of profit that you can plan, predict and repeat. Things that won't rely on a volatile market, but rather on problems the game is presenting to players. You come up with a solution to that problem and charge accordingly. BFA is no stranger to this and has presented a few new roadblocks to how people want to play the game.
I have two entire action bars that have 24 different sales macros and /r explanations. Some are expansions old and still produce great sales. Some are newer. I've had good results with a couple BFA ideas I've been doing for the past month, so it's time to share. Maybe they can be refined and evolve with the help of this sub.
Both have to do with making alts easier for players and less of a headache to get ready for the end game. One focuses on the 111-120 range, the other on brand new 120s. You invest some time learning the process and setting up a workflow, then it becomes very low impact sales.
Wall of text incoming... I left out a ton of small details, reasonings and justifications and it's still lengthy!
Leveling Care Packages
Remember when you used to hit max level in older expansions and you'd get a wrapped gift in the mail with some potions, other items and a congratulatory message from Blizz? Instead of rewarding someone after their work is done, this rewards them on beginning the journey.
I send a list of leveling tips and instructions along with ~18-20 stacks of items that make the leveling process much less painful and much quicker(do a single Legion invasion zone, which gives 70% of a level, then the BFA starting quest will bring you to 111, even while skipping the scenarios). I also give them a road map of how to level that gets them to 120 quickest while still getting them WQs immediately and opening the 3 home zones and 3 opposite faction areas so they have all their mission followers available.
I've pre-sourced/crafted all the items at bulk rates and built in a healthy profit margin. However, the real beauty of this is I can price it very competitively against the current total listed AH value of all the pieces and still have it be very beneficial to me. In essence, I'm guaranteeing sales of a bunch of items I'm already selling individually, which already have their own profit margins built in, while still offering a significant discount to the buyer.
The package contains important gear slots of crafted 225/233 armor, rings and trinket that match their spec's stat priority + Versatility, a weapon to replace the depowered Legion artifact, BFA gems & enchants, Legion flasks & potions(Skystep, Invis, Rejuv, DPS), Goblin Gliders, Contracts, Stirrups, Tomes, sheeping bombs, food and the Insightful Rubellite 5% exp gem.
I don't include BFA food, flasks or potions because they do scale and aren't powerful at lower levels. I don't include helm, neck, chest, shoulders because they are quickly filled with Azerite gear.
On my 2 main realms, I use 2 bank tabs that are stocked vertically with each component in the package, so it's easy to assemble for buyers.
- I've had lots of repeat customers and their #1 feedback has been how fun it is to have a shower of consumables they don't have to be shy using. Also, while some were hesitant about Versatility at first, they say the ~25-30% Versatility and lifegain trinket combine to allow them to mass pull everything with no fear.
320ilvl Queueing Sets
New 120s are met with an inability to easily/quickly progress their ilvl to the 320 queue requirement for the Warfront scenario (370 and 340 rewards) and LFR (340 rewards). The impatient player usually buys a bunch of crafted 300 and 310 gear and a few epic 340-55 items. They quickly get replaced and scrapped/disenchanted/vendored, wasting that investment.
I've put together sets based on armor type of BoE gear they merely keep in their bags, not equipping. Their bag ilvl is then artificially raised to the 320 requirement, allowing them to queue. I offer this set as a sale, or as a rental.
Everyone pays the sale price, then they can pass it along to their next alt, or if they want to return it, I buy it back for a partial refund, which brings their total to the rental price. I advertise it as a sale price and rental price. People are free to try and sell it off in pieces themselves, but I've sourced and priced it to not reward that approach. Plus, I bought out the realm on some of the more rare items I use in the sets.
You have to do a lot of research and math as you're looking to bring a character's bag ilvl to 320 average, but you can spread out the high and low ilvl pieces as your budget and planning allows. So, you're looking for the best ilvl bang for your buck for each gear slot while shopping. Some slots will offer you a lot of extra ilvl on the cheap, allowing you to only use a very cheap 300 or 310 piece for other slots. After a while, you know all the best items for each slot. I made TSM groups for what I found to be each armor type's best combination, but I'd encourage you to do your own, as it is a valuable learning experience.
Results - So far, it's been about 70% of buyers that sell the set back to me, while the remaining 30% keep it for a future alt. There hasn't been any pushback in trade about the notion of a rental, since there is no trust necessary for the transaction. Everyone's been quite encouraging about it actually.
I've intentionally not included my prices here, as I don't want to influence your ideas. Each realm is unique and your packages could/should differ.
Final note, 8.1 is still a ways off, but it's slated to include Incursions (Invasions 2.0), which should result in much easier leveling. So, I have only been replenishing my stock at a pace matching my sales. This way, I won't have much inventory to unload as 8.1 systems become clearer.
I think these are fantastic strategies and really epitomises the whole idea of thinking like a gold-maker or goblin, where you identify a problem a player is experiencing and then turn to make a profit out of it by providing some kind of solution. Most of the time this can be a time-saver, or a convenience and isn't a requirement for the buyer to do what they want to do since they can do it themselves, or not at all.
With a similar mindset,
/u/Otto_Maddox32 shared a quick tip of their own
술을 너무 많이 마시면... 쿨... 쿨...
requires the player to collect a selection of drinks from around BFA. These sell on the vendors for 2-5 gold each. On my server they sell at 60g each on the AH. Easy way to make some passive gold to build your warchest while starting out. It won't make you rich quick but it will make your numbers grow. Hope this helps someone.
Which niche markets have you discovered in Battle for Azeroth? Have you used any previous expansion gold-making methods recently?
The Undermine Journal
We've discussed spreadsheets a number of times on the blog and one great way to track pricing is to use The Undermine Journal newswire service which is actually a MySQL database. Now don't worry, you don't need to know anything about MySQL because this week the appropriately named
/u/DBGoblin put together a guide on how to query the TUJ database and pull it in to your Google Sheet
This is Austin….kidding-kidding! It seems that it is quite a common request how to connect your google sheets to the TUJ DB so I figured I will share my way. Feel free to chime in should you have any suggestions!
You can find more information about TUJ’s MySQL DB as well as very nice tutorials in PHP
! Please consider donating or subscribing to them!
Navigate to Add-ons -> Get Add-ons
Although there might be several add-ons to connect MySQL databases, I will use one called “Supermetrics”. If you have any other preference, go ahead and use that!
Refresh your page.
Navigate to Add-ons -> Supermetrics and click on Launch. A new side panel should pop-up on the right side.
Select “Database” from the list of available data sources.
Fill in the following information
DB Type: MySQL
DB Address: newswire.theunderminejournal.com
DB Port: 3306 (Default MySQL)
DB Name: newsstand
Username: DBGoblin (can be anything BUT blank – example: your username)
Password: (Leave Blank)
Click on “Test Connection” to make sure we can connect to the DB.
A green notification “Connection successful” should present next to the button.
Next part of this tutorial will be constructing an SQL to get the data out. Unfortunately, this is not something I can help you with, but maybe some other people can help with that or you could visit w3schools.com to learn more about SQL! For the purpose of this tutorial we shall use the following SQL Query:
FROM tblItemHistoryDaily IHD
JOIN tblDBCItem DBItm ON IHD.item = DBItm.id
JOIN tblRealm RLM ON RLM.house = IHD.house
WHERE RLM.region = 'EU'
AND RLM.slug = 'doomhammer'
AND DBItm.name_enus IN (
'Great Sea Catfish'
,'Aromatic Fish Oil'
This will give us the historic daily price information of all these BFA Fish for Doomhammer EU. Feel free to adjust this query to your needs
In the sidebar you should now have 2 options, Database query and Data Source.
Select Database query and paste the query I attached.
Select the Cell you want this table to be created (A1) and click on the blue “Get Data to Table” button in the sidebar.
You should now have populated your sheet with data from TUJ!
When you want to refresh this – navigate to Add-ons->Supermetrics->Refresh All and that should do it!
Please feel free to make suggestions on how we can enrich this tutorial – maybe throw in an SQL query of yours! Sharing is caring!
What do you use spreadsheets for in your gold-making strategies? Have you thought about using one but weren't sure how to set it up?
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My main point then remains that, if you don't wear plate, it looks like there is no point in leveling BS beyond the recipes for the follower equipment. Or am I missing something?
That every single armor-crafting profession is in exactly same situation - they can make only BoP armor, which is pants on head retarded when you consider that developers before prophecied a 'divorce' betwen profession you learn and your armor class.
Leatherworkers at least have some consumables, like drums, but this is useless since everyone can make them and even the pandaria ones work just the same, and ONE usable follower item (+chance if troops are used on mission).
Tailors have nothing. Well, they do have banners, but I'm yet to see anyone using those.
If you're focused solely on making gold, you failed by not rerolling to herbalism+alchemy after reading early profession previews and beta forum whines on herbs. I know a serious goldmaker in my guild, he's rerolled to herbalism+mining on nearly every alt, and he's rolling in gold and bloody tears of every raider and plus runner on the realm. The only thing that stopped me, is that I expect a WoD-style culling at some point, with a high-profile departure, and a massive changes in a major patch, since the expac is too young to scuttle.
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