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Comment by 27078

This must be the most useless talent ever in any class' talent tree. Can maybe be considered if it was in protection tree.

Comment by 105944

In cataclysm, this talent will no longer allow the use of execute regardless of the targets HP

it will now reset the cooldown of the new ability Colossus Smash

Comment by 501217

And yet ... while the description itself does not state this, I've been able to use execute for a 2 second window when this would proc ...

Comment by 629499

This and LOLstorm? Would that proc this?

Comment by Superchief

I'm a little skeptical about taking this for PvP. I've done my research and notice that most arms warriors take this for pvp but I wonder if they are taking it because they are just copy/pasting the next warrior's spec or because it's really a good idea. It's definitely a core talent for PvE but PvP is entirely different. These two talent points could be used for something more useful like Blitz.

Getting to Execute range in PvP basically means the first Execute and next couple abilities are going to kill the target if they don't peel off of you or get a heal etc, that is if you even use Execute. Rarely do I get a chance to stack Execute and get the haste bonus from 2/2 Executioner because the target dies, or gets away because they are resilience stacked. During that time the Executioner haste bonus is dwindling away and is wasted. If you skip Sudden Death and skip Executioner then you save 4 talent points and there is no point in spamming Execute for a kill, when you could just as easily finish that 20%HP with Mortal Strike and Overpower procs and spend rage on Heroic Strikes with Incite. Similar to Slam, it's hard to get a lot of use out of Execute because of the nature of PvP. Sudden Death and Executioner feel like they are meant for extended boss fights where some extra rage and melee haste can take more affect.

Now about the Colossus Smash proc from Sudden Death, one has to consider the practical use of CS in PvP. First of all it's been nerfed and clearly states in the tooltip that it reduces less armor on players. Cloth wearers don't have as much armor anyways, they have other means to defend themselves. This proc also has a habit of resetting the cooldown on CS immediately after I've used it, and sometimes I use it by accident which costs me a global cooldown that could have been a killing blow. Without Sudden Death it would still be useable every 20 seconds, and could be saved for a full rage bar and some burst.

Comment by nyctric

I can't believe the naivity of some of the commenters here on this talent. THIS talent is one of the most groundbreaking talents in the Arms tree. If you are blessed by the RNG Gods, you can consecutively have back-to-back Colossus Smashes on your target.
Yes, this talent can proc from the Arms Mastery.
After wailing on the target dummy and other patchwerk-esque fights, Colossus Smash has always refreshed itself before it's normal cooldown thanks to this talent.

Comment by Alexianoryuu

Was not sure about the last part of the talent, so I tried it out a few times - watching my Rage carefully.
The "keep 10 Rage after using Execute" portion means that you will not go below 10 Rage if you have 10-39 Rage (10 base with up to 20 used to increase damage) when using Execute. Therefore, if you have 40 or more, you'll still consume up to 30 points.

Comment by perculia

There's been some discussion about Overpower and Sudden Death in 5.2 by Ghostcrawler:

Go back to the start, start with the principle of "Basic rotation is MS->Overpower->Overpower->X" and "Sometimes you will prioritize Slam over Overpower when you are running high on rage", and figure out how to make it work from there. As it is, always having Overpower always taking priority over all the other fillers leaves the rotation feeling too cramped and awkward, and takes all rage management out of the rotation, leaving us with no choices except hitting HS when we can't spend enough rage with the default rotation.

The intent is Mortal Strike -> Overpower with Slam used during or during moments of excess rage.

We tried the change to Overpower proc'ing Sudden Death with noble intentions of making the rotation more dynamic since CS would be slightly more predictable. However, the change isn't a clear win, so we're not sure it's a good change. We are likely to go back to autoattacks proc Sudden Death, but leaving the 1 GCD on Overpower. We are also intrigued by the idea of having (mastery) also proc Sudden Death, so we might run some numbers on that. The buff to Deep Wounds, mastery and haste should all help with Arms scaling (though we remain convinced that players often focus much too much on scaling and not on overall DPS).

Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7811342046?page=73#1456

Comment by heartlessnobody

Your autoattack hits have a 10% chance to make your next Execute cost no initial Rage and be useable on any target, regardless of health level.

oh man Execute that's crit happy possibly when ever. makes me wonder what the duration is

Comment by 421539

As of patch 6.1:

Although the talent tooltip says "... costs no initial rage, consume no extra rage...", however when you use the proc at execute range (<20% HP) it will still consume extra rage and do the extra damage just with no initial cost.

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Sudden Death

Sudden Death

Talent

Approximately 1.7 procs per minute

Your attacks have a chance to make your next Execute cost no Rage, be usable on any target regardless of their health, and deal damage as if you spent 40 Rage.

(3s cooldown)

Spell Details

Duration

n/a

School

Physical

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

n/a

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

0 seconds

Aura proc chance

100%

Effect

Apply Aura: Dummy
Value: 40
PVP Multiplier: 1
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Is Ability
Passive spell
Aura is hidden
Can Proc From Procs
Not In Spellbook
Do Not Log on Learn
Allow Class Ability Procs
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Sudden Death

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